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There's only one team that gets their one shining moment. For everyone else, their season ends just like Indiana's. It's still fun to break down the season that was and think about the things that Indiana and every team faces heading into next year. With 20% of all CBB players in the transfer portal, hope springs eternal and the landscape of college basketball will be radically different in a couple of months.
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Yeah, let's start, let's start there We can just jump right in. I got to get take before he started talking about 87 take on the end of the season, cause the last time we talked they were in the real dull drums. where we're like is the season torpedoing. So they turned it around. They turned it around a little bit, but just so it's curious, you know kind of right direction. Yeah, they, you know they ended up.
Speaker 2:Uh, it was, yeah, they, they kind of got on a little bit of a roll and, uh, i mean Davis just got going to where he was.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's just amazing, though I I said to teams how, how they just continue to let him turn right shoulder every single I mean it's. but he's quick enough, he's good enough with the ball that that he creates a lot of that. But then, um, you know, there was just game weird. After that Purdue game, the Iowa game just stands out and you go, how could this possibly happen? You had to be, you knew there was a chance of a letdown, but I don't know.
Speaker 2:That's where I wish Woody would have just sat those guys in the first five minutes and said Hey you guys want to play like this, sit here all night, cause I'm not going to watch it, and you know, maybe wake them up a little bit. But that Iowa game was that to me was not good. Um, something, something was up, and then they didn't play very well against Michigan and got lucky in one, um, and that's when I started thinking Oh boy, um, what's going on here? Uh, cause you just can't. Those were both at home.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, they don't really get to play in the tournament. They I don't even remember who they beat the first night. Um, can't state. No, I'm talking about the big 10 tournament after the Michigan game. Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um Lose the gosh who did play, lose the Penn State, then That was kind of that, didn't bother me though at all, because I'm like who cares You?
Speaker 2:go back and look at these conference tournaments. Do one there's lost, purdue ones there's lost. Um somebody else too, i mean it Houston, they, they didn't, they didn't win theirs, memphis ones, theirs out, um, arizona out, i mean nobody remembers them either, right?
Speaker 1:No one's like Oh, how many conference championships you know, tournament championships do you have?
Speaker 2:Anybody that says that that prepares you for the NC tournament is crazy. Yeah, how does playing three straight nights emotional games you get done on Sunday Now you got to travel, monday's probably day off and you probably got to travel on Wednesday You don't prepare it off for the NCAA tournament. And if you're a high seed, now you're playing somebody and you go, oh, we should beat these guys because that's what everybody's telling, it's a let down game. Yeah, the conferences that have these. I just don't think it prepares you. I just so I was kind of glad that I, you lost a Penn State, because now you're going. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2:And uh, man, i was really surprised at how many people just in the media oh yeah, I can't state better, watch out better. I said can't state, they never seen anybody like Davis. Yeah, um, and I mean I, you controlled that whole game. So that didn't surprise me. But then they just again they showed up with no motion. No, there's like okay, we want to game the NCAA tournament, we've got a great year. I don't know It was. The effort was kind of disappointing. And um, hood Chafino just didn't play well And they got to have him playing well because they really need three consistent scores. They had two when they got on that run with Davis and Chafino and then trying to find another guy and gosh, chafino just didn't play very well.
Speaker 1:I mean, drill the couple you know three, threes at the end It makes a stat line look good. Everybody can hit those. All right, those are the easiest ones in the world.
Speaker 2:You know, and then I mean they just didn't play well. I mean I don't know, Maybe my eight four is better than what I thought, but the effort it just like. There's just a couple of plays that you shook my head, like the one player, Trace Jackson Davis, just dribbles right in and gives up a jump on. It's like okay, they get the ball, or go the other way, I don't know, That's just tough.
Speaker 1:What happened to the bench, cuz I'm? this can be a good contrast too, because I think that That's a hard thing to those guys, you know, keeping them prepared, especially oftentimes in college. You've got younger guys that are coming off the bench and boy, they really seem to just fall apart. As the season went on and I think there was, you know, jackson Davis showed a lot more leadership. I felt like this year, but I didn't extend that far into the bench. You know, some of those guys really just look like they lost their confidence or maybe their role wasn't well enough to find, i don't know, but they just looked unprepared when they come came in.
Speaker 2:I, like you know, i always say this the role players always play better at home. That's right and that, and that you can do that across the board on any team.
Speaker 2:That's why teams play better at home, yeah, but I don't know. I think sometimes, like a tomorrow base, he thinks he should have some coming in score right, where you just got to be positive influence and contributor to the game. Coach died was huge about that. You don't have to score, you just got to be a positive. You know you can rebound, defend, not turn the ball over, make free throw, whatever. Just be a positive influence on the game. And I think sometimes guys get into games and they think, oh my gosh, you got a score, i got a score, i got a score. Then they missed a couple shots And then affects them at the other end where, if they would just come in and make it solid play.
Speaker 2:Yes, you know, but I think some of this too goes back to Aaron. When you're standing around on offense and you're running a high-picking role, what You're standing there, i mean it's catch and shoot. I mean, if you don't make it now, it's like what are we doing? I think the college game has gone Downhill real quick and it's a roading. You don't have enough guys in the college game that can create their own shot And now everybody's playing this high-picking role, isolation, where we want to be like NBA guys because all good, hey, we run, we can get you the NBA.
Speaker 2:I mean, kenny Smith made a comment at one and a half times on TBS. He said there's not The offenses that are being run. The shooting is so bad because you're taking contested shots. And I hear J billis of the world saying, oh, we need to go to 24 second clock and call it. You're gonna road. You're gonna road it even more. Yeah, i mean there's not enough guys and to me You need more motion off and screening, like what we used to focus it. I mean it would help trig alway, it would help tomorrow baits. It would help Miller cop, miller cop. It would help a guy like like to me if trace.
Speaker 2:Jackson Davis went on and set a back screen of a guy that could cut that, that could score. His defender would have to help. Now you hit, now he opens up the door, the ball and his guys recovered and he's going by him. Yeah, i mean, i, i just. But nobody knows how to teach it And the easiest thing for a coach to do is say, okay, let's get a guy can handle the ball run. High-picking roll with shooters Stand. I mean, the offenses that are run are so easy to guard now. Now there might be some nights where teams have hot shooting nights.
Speaker 1:Yeah, then you're in trouble, Yeah okay, fine, but you know what?
Speaker 2:I'm gonna take my chances on that. I Just. It drives me crazy watching these games. One of the worst games I've ever watched in nca history Was Iowa State and Pitt the other day. It's the worst game. I mean, nobody can make a shot, yeah, and, and everybody says all you shooting 44 percent as a team, 44 percent, that's not good. Nobody gets, nobody gets through the foul line. You know, everybody says, oh yeah, the analytics, analytics, analytics, okay. Well, let me prove to you what the most efficient way to score in basketball is It's shooting free throws.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, everybody says you shoot 50 percent from the field, you're gonna win that. You're gonna usually win games, right, right. So that's one out of two. So if you have two possessions, you're gonna score one out of two. That's two points. That's a point of percent. That's good, yep. If you score one out of three, make one out of three, threes, you're. You're getting a point per possession. So if you get fouled every single time down the floor and shoot 50 percent from the free throw line, you score one point of possession.
Speaker 1:Yeah and you're definitely to do more than that.
Speaker 2:You're gonna shoot better 50 percent from the line. So why wouldn't you try to get fouled more and get to the line? It just drives me nuts. The guys jack up threes. Um, you know, miller cop pulled up from three Better night when we just taken the lead. Yeah, i mean, it's not like it's steve allford shooting it.
Speaker 1:Well, especially off the dribble, like he's definitely Shooting it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean you know, I mean half the time. Why would he take that shot after passing up a million wide open? Oh, I don't know. I don't know. I mean today's game. And you're in.
Speaker 1:These coaches are so worried about guys transferring and guys leave in and You got, you got to be worried about it, right, because certainly you know, you imagine at least Some percentage of the roster is going to turn over, because well, yeah, because they don't get to play.
Speaker 2:I get that, but um, i don't know. I just don't know if or you get an offer from.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, like the guy from I've heard rumored, the guy from harvard, you know, maybe come interested or something that I use it. Oh, get him to come, you get him to come in, and then it's kind of like 50 years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 50. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah no guys like that I got no problem with a transfer thing. Yeah, but it takes a spot of somebody else.
Speaker 2:You know tomorrow I don't want a guy that that. I'll just throw this out. Leo, yeah, okay, he's probably not going to play in Indiana. Go, go, go somewhere and play. I get that, yeah, but a guy that you know thinks he's getting screwed and doesn't get to play as much, like a tomorrow baseball league. Well, you know what? No, you need to work harder because you got ability and now you're going to be a junior and so now you're going to play more. There's just no, i guess, the days of not playing very much as a freshman, playing as a sophomore, starting your junior and senior year just done. There's no progression in a program anymore. I was hoping with NIL that guys would stick around more, but now you're probably getting on. Hey, come to our school, we'll give you this.
Speaker 1:No, i mean, that's what happened with Miami, with Nigel Pack.
Speaker 2:That's a starting point. Guard, yeah, and I mean how many?
Speaker 1:different teams has he been on? Yeah, like I think three Yeah.
Speaker 2:So you know that's the bad thing about it, but you know, i just, i just wish the college basketball would get away from. It's just becoming NBA-ish. And the officiating is getting worse and worse and worse. Yeah, traveling everywhere, every charge block is an automatic charge, basically. Yeah, this. I've never seen more guys get fouled on three point shots. I know, i mean, it's like I don't know.
Speaker 1:Why now that weird like landing zone?
Speaker 2:The landing thing. Yeah, oh man, it's so like how do you?
Speaker 1:contest a three, then Were you watching the college tutorials.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, You see the game where he goes from the side doesn't touch him at all. Yeah, and then the announcer said well, he must have called. he was in his landing.
Speaker 1:Landed. Why are you landing there when you're on his side? I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean it's, it's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i mean I get trying to protect the athletes, but it does take some of the competitiveness. I mean the replays too. I know we could go on about the replays, but, boy, at the end of the games like I would rather argue about a bad call and just like forever, you know forever, than than have to watch the rafts just ruin the end of the game by staring at it for half an hour.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Why did that Purdue game take eight minutes to get that? It was so obvious off of the FDU guy. Yeah Well, what were we looking at? I don't know. I would tell guys Hey, i'd use all my timeouts, i would try, no timeouts.
Speaker 1:Just put that finger up every time.
Speaker 2:The rule should be if we go to monitor teams are you're on the floor and you can have no communication with the teams Yeah, everybody's got, everybody's got a lineup on the line so they can't play. The players can't talk You gotta be on the other opposite end. Let the players figure stuff out, because you can argue every time the ball goes out of bounce Oh the clock. Yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 1:But, yet.
Speaker 2:but yet you can go over there and look and see who the ball goes off of. But if a guy absolutely fouls and rakes a guy, Can't, can't, look at that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i can't switch that Yeah.
Speaker 2:So then think about this If I got the basketball and I'm holding it and you come from behind and push it out of my hand, okay, and I've got the ball, it's always going to look like if you push it, it's always going to look like it came off of my hand. I mean that that, but I didn't just throw it out, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's bizarre.
Speaker 2:Well it's the end. Of games is just being ruined by that. It's crazy, so it's difficult, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:What do you think overall overall state of the state of the program though right direction? I'm not sure He talks about it. Well, i'm worried about next year. Yeah, If, if um like if it's, if he's gone, right, yeah, he's gone. I'm a son.
Speaker 2:I mean I? I mean I think they could really struggle, especially if, like Geronimo, i think Geronimo's going to transfer.
Speaker 1:Probably, um, you know, we might, we might be better off for him.
Speaker 2:We're going to our place.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean I, i mean I don't know, but I guess you can never say what you're going to have, because you can go and transport it yourself and go get three.
Speaker 1:really, good guys. Yeah, you could go get it. get a couple of guys Well.
Speaker 2:I mean, obviously there's a, there's a little bit of momentum, but what I want everybody in Indiana to be, optimistically, i guess, cautious. We were 12 and eight, yeah, the big 10. It wasn't like, i mean, we were never, we were never in the hut to win a big 10 championship. Right, and we played some really good basketball. Obviously be produced twice, but then they lose to Iowa twice to lose the Northwestern twice. Who's the Penn State twice?
Speaker 1:Yeah, their highs were really high. It's just that the the lows were also pretty low.
Speaker 2:That's what you were never used to in Indiana. Yeah, never. Yeah, you would be, you know. Hey, you're expected to win those games. And then you didn't lose the teams that you weren't supposed to lose to.
Speaker 1:That's dependent on two guys, though you know you got it.
Speaker 2:Those two guys had to play it perfect almost every time, for Yeah, and I I made the comment I don't know if it was on with you that like they gotta find it, i said you gotta find a third. Yeah, not to find a third Option that can be consistent score, whether that's race, whether that's. You know, got Galway's just not gonna be one of those guys. Yeah, he's not gonna be a guy here. Sorry, i'm gonna plug in my computer.
Speaker 1:You're good.
Speaker 2:Galway's just not. He's not gonna be a dependable score. But gosh, he can be such a great influence on the team because of his energy. He can get steals, you know, you can score without having to be in the offense, basically just by getting a loose ball here or there, and he should be a six to ten point score. That's that's what he should be. Doesn't need to be shoot the ball all the time. But raised Thompson need to give him more And he just wasn't consistent enough.
Speaker 1:I don't know if he got healthy ever either. Yeah, and you know what that deal.
Speaker 2:That's the stuff that you don't know. Yeah, I.
Speaker 1:Not coming back either hurt.
Speaker 2:I think that that, that that really hurt.
Speaker 1:I wonder if you got, i wonder if he got some assurances that he would get the medical, he would get the medical red shirt. You know, i just wonder if you would have tried to come back if he, you know, if he didn't get.
Speaker 2:I, i think I I'll bet they said hey, if he doesn't play the rest of the way and come back, um, but he's he definitely. That definitely hurt not having him, just because It's tough matchup. He was more of a drive to the basket where Chafino's more of a pull-up mid-range game And he's just a tough competitive. Yeah, and you know he got himself into troubling games just by being overly aggressive on ballon and stuff. But That his attitude. They just don't have a guy like that. You know that to me as biggest, you know not only his play but just his overall attitude and competitiveness, little chip on the shoulder.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly Yeah, and they just they don't have anybody else that has that. I mean, we got guys weren't headbands for the first time?
Speaker 1:Oh man, that comment killed me.
Speaker 2:It's called a salami on there. If you remember they did, you're too young. There's a show called the the white shadow.
Speaker 1:Oh no, i know exactly what that is. Bill said It's like It was like the first question to him out of the out of the break and the media scrum was you wore your headband And it was upside down to any Like. That's enough, right there.
Speaker 2:There, you know, but I mean obviously making the tournament win again. I mean you gotta feel good about yourself. Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1:We'll see what happens I?
Speaker 2:mean they? they have so much of a, so much on the scoring end is Shafino leaves with race and trace and Shafino Cop. I mean that's a lot of points you gotta replace Yeah that's a lot and it's tough, you know it's just. It's. Yeah, you get guys to step up.
Speaker 1:But Well, comfort place to go like Davis, yeah, yeah, impossible. He had a heck of a yeah, he finished.
Speaker 2:I believe. Believe He just uh, just a tough man. I'll be interested to see. I don't know. After watching that Miami game, though he wasn't the quickest jumper on the floor.
Speaker 1:I know Yeah.
Speaker 2:He got pushed around a little bit and I don't know if it's because he got a little less aggressive or he. when he got his third foul he kind of backed off a little bit, didn't want to pick up his fourth. Um, that guy beat him in the board a couple of times and grabbed three or four offensive rebounds from a real aggressive, yeah Yeah. Just kind of pushed him out of the way So he could have, he could have been wearing down to he, he went 39 minutes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:The night. But you say tournament, though gosh, you get you all those timeouts and every time, every team, each time out's an extra minute and they are longer So, but it'll be. That's just a lot of scoring that you got to make up, Yeah. That's going to be tough, You know, and and so now you got a guy like that.
Speaker 1:He's gone after his first year, oh college, he would have been unbolagical, so athletic Yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, a lozalong. I mean he was a senior and you know, i mean maybe he's only a junior, but guys stick around and and you know, you have the, you know like, uh, sam Perkins and Matt, you know, and the door, these, you know those guys, they were big. When you get to senior. You know, yeah, were they a skill? maybe not as some of these 19 year old freshmen or whatever, but you know what, at 19, give me, give me a 19 year old and have them go against the cycle or pack you in a 22, 23.
Speaker 2:And I'm taking a 22 year old every single time, yeah, yeah, because they're just more experienced. There's something to have say about experience and older guys. That's why I thought Indiana's team had a chance this year And when Xavier Johnson got hurt, that that that you lose now a fifth year guy, lose some experience, lose that toughness. But I thought Indiana, being an older team, would, would do really well. Um, but they just played immature.
Speaker 2:Yeah So these things, that that kind of surprised, and, and I would say that team in 87, we never really had an immature game, maybe the one it, maybe the one at Vanderbilt. Um, better than that, i mean, we lose that Purdue, who was 15, three in the big 10, who was at Illinois and at Iowa. We're both the top 15.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, i mean, it wasn't like you know, we, you know, lost teams that weren't good. I mean you're going to lose, but but that that to me, in the 80, 17, those just a mature team and on and off the court, and then we, we, we pushed each other hard, we held each other accountable. Nobody was out running around going to bars and stuff. Um, i mean that, that, that to me, it sticks out the most about that team is just the accountability that we held each other to a standard of. This is what coach expects, this is what we're going to do And when, when you have players and you got a team that that hold each other to a certain standard, actually you can, you can get on each other and you can push each other without it being in a in a pissy negative way. If that makes sense, it does, and it's that's big for team camaraderie And and I I think it's a huge factor in the way we never lost close games.
Speaker 1:That that you didn't wear a headband in the tournament, That would have been allowed. Yeah, that would not have been allowed. What have you had said? but, coach, i saw it on the white shadow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can still do it. I play like Salami. And he said you're?
Speaker 1:gonna love that.
Speaker 2:You already do play like Salami.
Speaker 1:So go sit down, oh shoot.
Speaker 2:I'd tell everybody about that. And so we were actually. We were actually. I always go out to Vegas for the Friday and Saturday of the NCAA tournament.
Speaker 1:Oh, nice Yeah.
Speaker 2:Won't tell California. So we had like 20 guys go this year. That's awesome. We're sitting around we're watching Arizona play. And I hadn't really watched Arizona play much at all. They have this guy.
Speaker 1:I thought they were going to be good too. Man, whatever, i pair a stacker Yeah.
Speaker 2:So well, but he puts Kerr on his back. Yeah, And there's two of these I said is that Steve Kerr's kid? No, no, his name's David Kerr. I saw that guy's like Salami on the white shadow. Oh, my buddy started laughing, cracking up because they knew that I was talking about Salami.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, i got to use that for sure.
Speaker 2:Smell this smell, this headband cop comes out. I said, oh my gosh, you got a nice smile.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that, yeah, you would have worn a headband like that with Coach.
Speaker 1:It's just just breaking it out in the tournament too. Yeah, that's what makes the picture even better. And upside down, upside down. Oh my God, what are you?
Speaker 2:thinking about.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:You're thinking more about your headband Now. He played well, He did.
Speaker 1:He's a great man. You should have had it on all year apparently.
Speaker 2:Yeah, i think he actually was more aggressive shooting. But you know, yeah, so that's. That's the kind of stuff that you know, coach. I remember when Keith came to campus he had all these gold changers you know Mr T starter kid or whatever Yeah. And we said, keith, you're gonna have to lose that What? Oh yeah, you're gonna have to lose that.
Speaker 1:He goes why I say nah, coach ain't going for that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he. but you know what Keith's credit? he didn't fight, he didn't fight anything. Keith came in and said what do I got to do? Yeah, what do I got to do to be a part of this and help us, and what I remember.
Speaker 1:That's his mentality, right. He won the win, those guys had no ego at all.
Speaker 2:When they came in and they coached, knocked the ego that they had in them out real quick. So you know, and that was that's what helped that team. I mean, i really did, that's what helped that team. goes, just those guys buying in.
Speaker 1:I love it. Well, hey, after, maybe after the transfer portal, i'll have to check in and see it, since we're going.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's see what happens with all that. By the way, I hate the transfer portal.
Speaker 1:I know, I know, but it's, I mean, you have to embrace it because it is what you know, it is what it is. I think it's the future. Honestly, Like I wonder even about you know, because we've been going after these five stars, but I wonder if you even like, worry about it, Like instead it might be better Yeah, better to pick off these like fifth year grad transfers.
Speaker 2:I really go get four fourth to fifth year guys.
Speaker 1:You know they're going to, you know they're going to be good in college basketball because you get Lander or Bates, they're five stars. but then you know they're not. they're not ready, yeah, they're not ready.
Speaker 2:And they'd probably been told how good they are right there.
Speaker 1:that too Yeah and fine.
Speaker 2:Okay, if who's your phenolese, for example? Yeah okay, yeah, he might be a good pro, but would you rather have some dude that's a Kansas State that's been there now five years, who's probably one of these guys in Miami? Get back transfer again, i mean like, like, i can tell you, i can tell, you've had IU won. You know what Samson would have had saster, he would have had sasser up in who's feels ass So bad that he would have really struggled.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's not saying that in four or five years which, if you know it would be a way better player Yeah, but, but he's 18, 19 maybe I think.
Speaker 1:I think he's gonna be a good pro. But I think, i think he's gonna be like a Romeo pro you know where he's gonna play, but not be an all-star.
Speaker 2:Right, you know, or 18 years old, compared to some guy, that that's just physically more mature, yeah, and more experienced, yeah, go give me this dude from Harvard. Yeah, the the wrist that you have on these guys that come in as a fifth year is You got it for?
Speaker 1:one year? Yeah, how do you build that culture with that, with a year?
Speaker 2:Eoretically, you can have a team of nothing with juniors and seniors every year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i mean, if I just think maybe there's a way to, like You know, try to do both. Where you get some guys that are gonna stay, you get a gala way leal types, and then maybe it makes that I would grad transfer rather than rather than the one in done so that.
Speaker 2:I just hope it doesn't get to The point with on the transfer thing, it's hey, we can pay you a hundred grand, come on, i mean is it already there? I know, i know it's just. It just doesn't seem right that it's just a free agency and then and then, as a coach, you always have to, you always have to recruit your own guys to stay. You know what? I think that that's So. You get to this point every single year now, or it gets into April 1st. You know who's gonna be on your now.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think there could be five guys that leave potentially. Yeah, I could see it Just like I know there's guys just guys that aren't real happy. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But you know, so they leave. You have a way bigger question mark than bringing in new guys than what you have now. Kansas State They brought that that little dude in, noel or yeah, he's awesome, he played unbelievable, so, but again he's a he's a fourth or fifth year guy. Giving guys like that I'd love that.
Speaker 1:I know, that's what that? Yeah, yeah, i know, i know, yeah.
Speaker 2:No, you know what I thought more cop just coming in bomb shots and if you want to hit me, i mean, he was almost like tentative to shoot.
Speaker 1:No, i don't know. I think cuz he had a, maybe cuz he had a bad year last year, he just never. He shot better this year but never quite got the, you know, got the total confidence all the way back Never seen us up a lot of shots.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was kind of like okay, i shoot this and this I'm coming out, which was never gonna be.
Speaker 1:I didn't say, i didn't say his name, but he's who I was thinking of when I said never seemed to hit the threes when it mattered, like if it's middle. Middle of the game wide open. He's knocking that down.
Speaker 2:You know, when you got it, you're down couple Yeah shot to keep us, you know, run and it's in and out but we never. We never hit any big.
Speaker 1:I know, yeah, it's crazy. It was crazy. It was the same thing that Miami game. I just that, yeah, that want that one.
Speaker 2:I think you're right. I think there's gonna be a couple guys from Indiana. They're gonna leave. Yeah, like I would be stunned if Geronimo doesn't leave.
Speaker 1:I think so.
Speaker 2:I just don't mean, i don't know. and then the other, the big white kid, i don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's probably gone to Leo Leo. Leo seems like he's getting the NL money. At Indiana He paid for his sister.
Speaker 2:They do when they they do these events with like who's your hysteria, yeah, and things. I think all that money gets split, it does yeah.
Speaker 1:So that, but it's. I'm saying like he might be doing better just staying, and the camera loves him. I was joking with my wife. I'm like it seems like every time there's like a shot of the bench It's always all leal.
Speaker 2:But it's sometimes you're right at some point, don't you want to play? Yeah, probably probably you know, I mean, i don't know, maybe, maybe not, i don't know, yeah, yeah, if you had a chance to win the big 10 and and you're gonna have a chance to win it all, potentially, man, so he might.
Speaker 1:He might get to play a little bit next year. I don't know, it's it's hard to tell because he played, he's played so little, but I mean, what's the difference between him and cop, if you know, like if he's shorter, right.
Speaker 2:Exactly. I mean, you know, can somebody knock down some shots, or but again, we're not a practice every day. Yeah, so it's hard. You know, maybe he doesn't play wall practice either, so I mean just you know that's. That's where it's difficult.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sure, like the same or guys with some chances.
Speaker 2:But no, be interested. I'm interested in the season. I think you know the biggest thing To is to switch your phenol. Even does Johnson get us another year back?
Speaker 1:Well, I'll tell you what hood Shafina stays and Johnson comes back. That will be in a lot better shape.
Speaker 2:I'll be very, very optimistic then now. Now we're gonna have a tournament team.
Speaker 1:You got guard play instantly, yeah, and every single.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, they got good guard play. Now It's ways during the college game to fill in if you got two guys like that. Yeah so that that's interesting. You're right about. I didn't think about that, but they, if those guys both come back, they will be good.
Speaker 1:They'll be good They'll be. then they got, then they got renew still in the in the middle, and then you pick up a couple transfers.
Speaker 2:Thanks, it's gonna be okay.
Speaker 1:Thanks, it's gonna be good. He came in you. He was that guy in that few minutes in the tournament run that you're talking about. Didn't come in trying to Score, made a couple.
Speaker 2:Energy. Yeah, no, I think he's got some ability.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I mean that I didn't think about that but my guess is there's no way, i can't, i don't think so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I saw.
Speaker 1:I think I saw me like maybe as high as like 11 on some draft.
Speaker 2:I mean he's in the top 15, top 18. How do you tell the kid No?
Speaker 1:you can't, i mean you can't he's, he's not ready.
Speaker 2:I said, with the idea in the car doesn't matter is to get that first contract time. You're 23.
Speaker 1:That's it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can get the second one.
Speaker 1:If you get, if you're in the lottery to get locked into that Guaranteed money and you get like the, you know you get the. You get the bigger pay bump on the second, on the second contract too, because you were in the lottery already.
Speaker 2:So yeah, i mean it'd be. yeah, you know, i mean obviously he's not ready, but I You're going to get ready quicker, i know.
Speaker 1:Romeo. Romeo is still in the league right And he's, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know, but he's. Shafino is a different player because he's going to have the ball in his hands. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I thought he was. I don't know, maybe he wasn't as athletic as I thought he was.
Speaker 2:But he seemed more athletic.
Speaker 1:That's true.
Speaker 2:He doesn't really. He's a catch and shoot, but he can get to the hoop. But when I say, ball him, he's not a playmaker.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:They're going to have whoosh. You know be a kind of a point guard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the toughest position in the league, though You know you think about who you're going up against, then It is especially on the defensive end. Yeah, you got to guard in your hand, exactly.
Speaker 2:You know. But the way that they could do it stuff now is they they play a smaller guy on the wing when you're, you know, bigger guard. Now you just shoot stuff up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you guard the three and D guy and you don't have to move.
Speaker 2:Should. Nobody guards anybody in the NBA.
Speaker 1:That's that. You're not. You're not getting this year. It's out of control.
Speaker 2:It's out of control.
Speaker 1:It's out of control. The six guys, six guys. There's 45 guys in the NBA average in 20 points a game. There are six guys over 30 points a game this year.
Speaker 2:I think these guys have gotten to the point now They're making so much money. There's an unwritten rule. Hey, look till the playoffs the ladies.
Speaker 1:I can't say you're wrong, i know.
Speaker 2:Nobody challenges anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know I can't say. I can't say you're wrong. They might be right too. They want to prolong their careers and you're making that much money You don't want. You don't want to hurt someone else, You don't want them to hurt you. You want to keep getting that, getting those paychecks, right. Thank you for listening to the 19 nine podcast. If you haven't already subscribed to the podcast, make sure you do. And while you're at it, leave us a rating or review. Five stars only, like the basketball camp. We also have links to all of 19 nine social media, So you never miss a release. Until next time.